there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
@Blondie,
How did this topic go so far off from the original post?
The OP presupposes the following miracles:
1. Existence Comes from Non-existence
2. Order Comes from Chaos
3. Life Comes from Non-Life
4. The Personal Comes from the Non-Personal
5. Reason Comes from Non-Reason
6. Morality Comes from Matter
I am challenging these presuppositions the OP is founded upon while offering a reasonable alternative, one grounded in history, facts, and probability.
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
That is Gary Habermas's "facts" approach.
@ TonusOH
Professor Haberman got his PHd on Resurrection sudies and was granted his doctorate by a Jew, an Atheist and a critical Christian, not exactly a friendly panel for presenting a thesis on the facts of the Resurrection. The facts presented are not his, but representative of between 75 to 95 % of all scholars (including atheists, Jewish, and otherwise) who publish in the area of 1 st century Christianity.
@Duran,
All those people you mention are dead. If people want to put their eternal fate into the hands of dead people, they are certainly welcome to do that. But, I question the liklihood of getting life from / through someone dead; doesn't make any sense.
Jesus seems to be a far better object of faith since he demonstrated that he is STILL ALIVE.
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
no, I cannot think of any historical examples of that
And neither can anyone else..... except for one example: Many Unbelieving scholars who publish in the area of 1st century Christianity agree to the following facts surrounding the Resurrection:
Yet, some folks ask believers to park their common sense and just remain unbelievers with no historical support for their proposition of denial.
I can't do that.
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
@TonusOH
You answered a question I did not ask. Again, here is the question:
Can you think of any historical examples of where hundreds of people fabricated a lie at the same time that was guaranteed to cause their loved ones to reject and shun them? Then, these same people were willing to die for something they KNEW was a lie?
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
@TonusOH
It is my understanding...It seems more likely...So, my guess would be...
That is a substantial retraction from your earlier statement:
Thus, it's pretty clear that people will die for a lie.
So, no. You cannot provide historical examples where hundreds of people fabricated, lived and preached a lie that guaranteed many of their loved ones would reject and shun them. Then, after suffering this (the same thing many XJW's commit suicide over) these same people were willing to die for something they KNEW was a lie.
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
TonusOH,
Thus, it's pretty clear that people will die for a lie.
Of course people will die for a lie. But, that is not the question I asked.
Can you think of any historical examples of where hundreds of people fabricated a lie at the same time that was guaranteed to cause their loved ones to reject and shun them? Then, these same people were willing to die for something they KNEW was a lie?
@Jeffro
The probability of things being the way they are is precisely 1
Your above statement is rooted in the "present", WHICH IS ALREADY THE PAST ONCE OBSERVED.
If I throw a pair of dice, the odds are very understood to the point where casinos can make millions of dollars predicting the outcome, BEFORE they happen, NOT AFTER.
It is difficult (and fascinating) to imagine how an otherwise intelligent human can believe a demonstratable lie like the one you stated.
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
@peacefulpete
Surely you are not naive enough to believe that people (orthodox Jews) made up this story and were willing to be ostracized by family, shunned by their community and die horrible deaths for something they knew to be a lie.
How do you know you are not just believeing something as far fetched as 1975, then living in denial of the facts like your dad did? Is it possible that you are more like your dad than you care to admit?
how many of you here remember 1975?
i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.
those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.
I think October was the month that got wispered around a lot.. By Dec. 31st, most were probably already in denial.
there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.
but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.
the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.
I am confident that it isn't any [God]... It's a long road from "there is reason to believe that a creator exists" to "it is this specific creator."
I think that if someone were to predict their own death and then claim that they would resurrect themself from the dead afterwards, then do it - that would pretty much do it for me. But, for the skeptics:
The probability of someone fulfilling all Old Testament messianic prophecies is considered astronomically low by probability calculations. A mathematician, Peter Stoner, calculated that the chance of one person fulfilling eight specific prophecies was one in 10 to the power of 17 (1 in 100 quadrillion).
Jesus is commonly believed to have fulfilled over 300 prophecies from the Old Testament, with estimates ranging from about 200 to 400 depending on the criteria used by different scholars. Notably, some sources highlight that he fulfilled 27 prophecies in a single day.
how many of you here remember 1975?
i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.
those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.
Most people at the time just seemed to see it as a coming event, like a forthcoming convention or vacation, just a fact of life that was going to occur but much more exciting.
This is exactly how it was in my home. When Nixon won the 1972 election, my father turned the TV off and announced that Nixon was the President that would end this "old sysem".
At 9 years old, I did the math and calculated that I only had about 3 years to live.
@Balaamsass
I remember a nice sister who was pregnant in 1973. An Elder was giving a part on the closeness of the end and "Woe to the pregnant woman" and how ignoring the END showed a lack of faith and may result in losing a child during Armageddon! That poor sister started crying and sobbing got up and ran to the back room.
Your story, in my opinion captures the utter hysteria, calousnessness and pompous attitudes of JW's, still present in much the same measure today. I remember my father screaming while whipping me with a belt, "you are void of all feellings for other people"! Must have been quite shocking for him to witness skepticism from one of his sons at such an early age.
In the end, I won. He never was able to beat it out of me.
